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Blogger errs again in claims about salmon farms and compensation

Blog Re-posted from Mainstream Canada, Grant Warkentin, November 26, 2013

Blogger errs again in claims about salmon farms and compensation

Mainstream Canada 2013-11-26: DC Reid continues to get the facts wrong, and refuses to admit his mistakes, in his latest blog post about salmon farm compensation.

Despite being corrected numerous times, Dennis Reid continues to tell stories about salmon farming which are not based in fact.

I initially addressed his errors in a web post here last week, which you should read first if you are unfamiliar with this discussion.

I also posted on the website where the article was hosted, correcting further errors by Reid, but the site moderator did not approve the comment. The comment can be read here instead.

But this week, Reid persists in repeating untruths,,,

Read the full blog here.

Alex, it is time for you to finally re-examine your failed theories

We posted the following Letter by Fraser Larock on our News Page on October 6, 2013. Alexandra Morton commented on the letter the same day and then was taken to task by great post submitted on October 7th  by shuswapriver… Here is the Ubyssey letter and shuswapriver comment…

Letter: Salmon Confidential a flawed, important film
The  Ubyssey , October 6, 2013

Salmon Confidential was originally released in March 2013 to mixed reviews. Alexandra Morton, the director, received strong support from salmon activists, furthering the anti-salmon farming movement. Unfortunately, many objective scientists and salmon farming supporters have outlined numerous research flaws and incorrect assumptions  Morton makes throughout the movie.

However, Salmon Confidential, while lacking in accepted evidence and in some cases found to blatantly disregard inconvenient facts, does contribute an important perspective from the anti-farming community. Environmental groups and industry professionals are increasingly influencing policy makers throughout the B.C. government. Alexandra Morton and associated individuals having a strong, albeit often stubborn, opposition to salmon farming and can present a constructive dialogue with public interests in mind. What is required is participation from all stakeholder groups with a basis in scientific evidence. Salmon Confidential shows that this particular environmental group isn’t ready for such discussions.

Additional scientific and industry information  from industry companies like Marine Harvest can be found online.

I encourage everyone to view this movie and form your own opinion, keeping in mind the greater motives the director may have.

–Fraser Larock, 4th year Forestry Operations


On October 6, Alexandra Morton posted a comment on Ubyssey thanking Fraser Larok for his interest in Salmon Confidential. Her comment included reference to a paper on picine reovirus she co-published and how she has “addressed all the criticism alluded to in the above” 

shuswapriver  replied with the following comment: 

Alex,

The co-published paper on the piscine reovirus outside Norway you refer to does not specifically implicate the BC fish farm industry as you seemingly elude to in your blog commentary. Here are just a few of the questions raised:

1. How did PRV come over to BC from Norway since there has been no direct egg imports from Norway since 1985? According to the study, the Canadian PRV diverged from the Norwegian sub-genotype 1a around 2007. What is the distribution of PRV in our waters is about one of the best questions the study raised. Do we know much about the presence of PRV in US waters, their enhancement facilities or their fish farms.

2. The heart lesions and HSMI lesions you refer to are not specific to HSMI. All these “classic signs” in Dr. Marty’s notes can also be attributed to other conditions. Context is important, but not mentioned in the study. In fact, HSMI has never been found on BC salmon farms. You had an opportunity to determine if your supermarket samples that tested positive for PRV had HSMI, but you didn’t look for this. Why not? Why didn’t Rick Routledge look for HSMI in Cultus Lake samples if those fish were infected by a deadly virus. Your study fails to discuss this omission.

3. The presence of PRV does not constitute as a diagnosis of HSMI. Healthy fish also have PRV. In fact, the virus can be present in high concentrations in fish without causing lesions traditionally associated with HSMI. There is a difference between having a virus and having a disease. Just because a fish has a virus does not necessarily mean that it is diseased. More importantly, a salmon carcass having a “mushy heart” is not a definite sign of HSMI if you consider what these fish experience as they migrate into freshwater and their bodies are gradually being broken down. This was also not mention in your study.

4. HSMI typically impacts juvenile fish, so where is the evidence of HSMI in adult Pacific Salmon, such as Fraser Sockeye? Did you know that many of the journals you cite as support for your theories on PRV and HSMI also tell a different story?

As for the criticism of the film you apparently addressed in your blog that is not true because you didn’t address all the criticism. For instance, you didn’t address you blatant omission of testimony in the film from Dr. Miller, Dr. Nylund, Dr. Garver and more importantly – Dr. Kibenge. It is funny that you are against muzzling of scientists but that is exactly what the film attempts to do. So much for “Standing Up For Science”. Your knowledge of PCR testing is again flawed and was proven again in the latest rebuttal: http://salmonconfidential.com/awwk-pieces-of-virus-more-lies/

It is time for you to finally re-examine your failed theories. The reason no one in government, industry and even some NGOs are listening to you is that there are more holes in your theories than Swiss Cheese. When they are examined closely they do not stand up to critical thinking. You need to convince people like me – not those that already believe your theories like a religion. You also need to stop muzzling constructive (fair) discussion on your blogs and Facebook page which is an attempt to control the message. This shows you and your followers as being very hypocritical when it comes to being transparent and open to science. The film rallies the troops, but does little to sway those you really need to convince.